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ESP rade custom stvari, a imaju i E-II seriju koja je serijska isto Japan. Edwards spada u neku kategoriju između tih E-II i ltd1000 serije.
Po tome bih mogli razgranati u rangove esp gitare:
1) LTD10/50/100 serija, entry level gitare, najlošiji dijelovi, rang kvalitete kao najjeftiniji ibanezi, drvo često najjeftinije, jeftina gitara ako nemaš para, a želiš gitaru koja lijepo izgleda... Made in Vietnam/China/Indonesia, cjenovni rang 170-300 eura
2) LTD 200 serija, rang epiphone standard gitara, dijelovi, odabir drva i estetika bolji nego nižoj seriji, ali i dalje jeftiniji pickupovi i hardware, gitare koje se ok sviraju uz dobar setup, ali dosta dijelova je za upgrade, made in ?, cjenovni rang 350-600 eura
3) LTD400 serija je prvi rang s dobrim dijelovima (brandirani, pogotovo oni iz Koreje) i ok su složene gitare, drvo neko prosječno, dakle generalno dobre gitare koje se da sigurno uraditi da budu još bolje s dobrim setupom... Made in Korea (1995-2005), Made in Indonesia (2005-?), cjenovni rang oko 600-800 eura
4) LTD1000 serija drugi rang s dobrim dijelovima, ok složene gitare, puno više estetike na njima, neki dijelovi još i bolji, drvo isto prosječne kvalitete, ali možda egzotičnije, generalno dobre gitare koje sa dobrim setupom budu još bolje... Made in Korea, cjenovni rang oko 800-1400 eura
5) Edwards vintage correct modeli, ima raznih modela kroz godine, dobro složene, dijelovi kao na ltd 1000 guitarama, drvo nešto bolje nego na LTD, imaju razne serije trenutno, generalno vrlo dobre gitare... Made in Japan, cjenovni rang 800-1400 eura
6) ESP E-II, nekoć standard serija, rang iznad Edwardsa, serijska proizvodnja u Japanu, jako dobri dijelovi, super precizne gitare i jako dobri materijali, generalno odlični instrumenti... Made in Japan, cjenovni rang 1800-3000 eura
7) ESP USA serija, njihovi originali rađeni za USA tržište, gitare koje koštaju, ali vrhunski napravljene te tu idu i signature modeli artista koji ih koriste i tako to... Made in Japan, cjenovni rang 4000-5000 eura
8) ESP Original/Custom Shop serija, samo hand craft i to su gitare koje koštaju, ali do zadnjeg detalja su i sređene ... Made in Japan hand crafted, cjenovni rang puno previše

LTD 1000 bi uvijek bez beda preporučio (Korea)

Gitare su savršeno složene... jedino pupove ima smisla na njima mjenjat ako ti ne odgovaraju originali

a nađe ih se po 300 - 400 € uz malo strpljenja, od nekoga ko nije upučen u cijene... shopovi i preprodavači imaju generalno realne cijene od oko 800 € za njih

..ESP mislim da nije potreban standardnom ne profi gitaristi (bar meni nije )

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# gstaraz :
LTD 1000 bi uvijek bez beda preporučio (Korea)

Gitare su savršeno složene... jedino pupove ima smisla na njima mjenjat ako ti ne odgovaraju originali

Pa više manje dolaze s emg ili seymour duncan pa zamjeniti pickupove u biti nije niti trošak, ide skoro sve 1 za 1... Slično njima uvijek bih preporučio schecter top modele iz Koreje koji dolaze s emg/seymour duncan pickupovima, jako dobro složene gitare, svirljive i super zvuče... Imam trenutno 3 takve i stvarno realno nikom niti ne trebaju bolje gitare

edwardsi se mogu bez beda mjeriti sa Tokai "vintage".
minus je na edwardsu što nije savršena kopija Gibsona (po izgledu) a plus je što češče kod njih naletiš na dobru ebanovinu na fretboardu (ako to voliš)

Još jedan plus kod edwardsa je da ih možeš za relativno male novce ubost od rusa.

uglavnom odlične pile !

Navigatora na žalost nikad nisam u ruci držao :(

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# Dekyyy :
Edwards nije rang ispod E-II serije. To su gitare koje se praktički rade u istoj tvornici u japanu, samo se rade isključivo za japansko tržište (bez prodaje po EU, USA i bilo gdje drugdje u svijetu). Samo kupnja i uvoz direkt iz japana (nove gitare), a polovnih ima gdje god.

Postoji razlika, oboje se rade u istoj tvornici i izrada je jednako dobra, kao što sam i napisao, ali stavljaju dio boljih (skupljih) dijelova na E-II seriju, to se može vidjeti iz specki, a i ako se usporede vidi se da ulažu više u estetiku na E-II seriji, slično kao na ltd1000 u odnosu na 400

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"Manufacturing operations

Original Series and Custom Shop ESPs are handcrafted in Japan while the Standard Series ESPs are factory made in Japan.

In 1996, ESP started its "LTD" series. These guitars are similar to lower-end ESP guitars, but are more affordable and cater mainly for markets outside Japan. The 1000 series LTDs are made on an assembly line in Korea whereas the 401 series and below are made in Indonesia.

Likewise, LTD basses are instruments mainly aimed at beginners. Over the years manufacturing has moved between various locations, including Vietnam, China and Indonesia. Intermediate models were manufactured in Korea in the early 2000s (decade). The quality from these has led to continued demand for the LTD series.

Additionally, ESP has two separate Japan-only lines of guitars, the Grassroots (lower end) and Edwards (Mid-range). The Grassroots line is manufactured in Korea and are the equivalent or better than the Sub-400 series LTDs and can be considered a budget line. The Edwards guitars, on the other hand, are made in Japan and boast similar hardware as their higher-end ESP counterparts but are not handcrafted. In terms of quality, in contrast to the USA lines (i.e. ESP Standard & LTD), the Edwards line generally lies in between the more upmarket LTDs and ESP Standards.

ESP guitars cater for a wide range of players. There are a variety of models including Superstrat-styled guitars, Les Paul-styled guitars, Flying V-styled, Star-shaped and others. ESP technically has two lines, one for USA and Japan, but there are slight differences. The ESP USA line doesn't include the Strat-like Snapper, the Forest GT, as well as some of the Japanese rock artist models but their custom line has been known to produce some of the most unusual designs such as a Gundam Beam-rifle replica guitar, as well as the "ESP Machinegun" used by the Japanese band Alfee.

ESP not only make guitars, they also produce various hardware parts themselves, like bass bridges or the ESP Flicker tremolo, ESP Labs Pickups, as well as sustainers, equalizers, etc. Usually these parts are only available for OEM use and not to the ordinary customer."

Još jedan:
"To me it's just ESP's MIJ basic production line for the Japan market.
Mostly Gibby and Fender replicas.
But, some ESP models and sig models as well.
Fall in between the ESP Standard series and the LTD Deluxe series.
Closer to the Standards than the Deluxes, IMHO, as far as build quality.

Hierarchy is like this. Top to bottom.
Navigator (ESP Customshop replicas)
ESP Customshop
ESP USA line
ESP Standard
Edwards
LTD Deluxe
LTD 400 and 500 series
Grass Roots.
LTD 50 to 250 series

There used to be the Seymour Duncan line as well.
I believed that fell somewhere between the Standard and Custom series.

ESP Custom Shop and ESP Japanese Market (original) Series are made by ESP Handcraft

ESP Oversea Standard Series and some Signature Series are made by Edwards factory.

Therefore, ESP Japanese Market (original) Series > ESP Standard Series, they use better materials then ESP SS models. For example, you can see ESP Original Series MII guitars are more expensive than Standard MII, that's why cause difference."

Dodano nakon 12 minute

Ovo su edwardsi
https://espguitars.co.jp/product/4438/
https://espguitars.co.jp/edwards_/lp/E-LP-130CD.html

A ovo E-II
https://www.espguitars.com/products/20760-e-ii-eclipse-db?category_id=1963524-eclipse-series-guitars-3
https://www.espguitars.com/products/20987-e-ii-eclipse?category_id=1963524-eclipse-series-guitars-3

To sam mislio na razliku u estetici, edwardsi više ganjaju izgled vintage kopija, dok E-II su ipak esp modeli (eclipse) i to izgleda puno više bling-bling, naravno ko kako voli, ali zato su sigurno i skuplji, kao i ltd1000 u odnosu na 400 recimo

ltd ec 1000 deluxe su meni najljepše

detalji oko bindinga su im zakon

slažem se, meni se isto sviđaju... Ma sve su to dobre gitarice, treba samo svirati